Original Message:
Sent: 11/20/2024 4:50:00 PM
From: Kimberly Abel
Subject: RE: HVAC and instillation in exchange for donation?
I'm glad you didn't lose sleep, John! I don't think there are bad intentions here, just supporters who are trying to think of innovative ways to raise money but don't understand the IRS rules. We're working to educate them that there is no tax-deductible donation here for anyone. I appreciate your input!
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Kimberly Abel
Phoenix Children's Hospital Foundation
kabel@phoenixchildrens.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 11-20-2024 08:50 AM
From: John Taylor
Subject: HVAC and instillation in exchange for donation?
Kimberly, I nearly lost sleep over this scenario last night - but didn't ��
Still, there is something very unethical going on here-unless we are missing some facts. Issac already touched on some of this.
The HVAC company gets no tax deduction whatsoever for what it is proposing. It could only claim a deduction if it voluntarily gave you cash (or HVAC units to install at the Hospital).
And their customers are not receiving a tax deduction, either, if the HVAC company is essentially bribing (there's probably a better word to use here) them to give to you by offering a free or discounted unit in exchange.
Is there more to this we do not know about?
John
John H. Taylor, PrincipalJohn H. Taylor Consulting, LLC
2604 Sevier Street
Durham, NC 27705
919.816.5903 (cell/text)
Serving the Advancement Community Since 1987
Oh, and yes. If the company gave that discount in exchange for a gift to you that is another QPQ example. The net gift amount would be $50.
John H. Taylor
919.816.5903 (Cell/Text)
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Original Message:
Sent: 11/19/2024 5:57:00 PM
From: John Taylor
Subject: RE: HVAC and instillation in exchange for donation?
Why would you give the HVAC company ANY credit - let alone a receipt? They are not giving you anything! They are giving g the units to their customers not your non-profit.
John H. Taylor
919.816.5903 (Cell/Text)
Big Ideas - Small Keyboard
Original Message:
Sent: 11/19/2024 5:43:00 PM
From: Kimberly Abel
Subject: RE: HVAC and instillation in exchange for donation?
Yes, it makes sense that the monetary donor wouldn't receive a tax benefit. But we can give the HVAC company an in-kind receipt for the donation of x number of HVAC units, correct?
Also, if the HVAC company gives a customer $50 off the price of a unit in exchange for a $100 donation, would we say that the donor received goods and services of $50?
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Kimberly Abel
Phoenix Children's Hospital Foundation
kabel@phoenixchildrens.com
Original Message:
Sent: 11-19-2024 12:39 PM
From: Isaac Shalev
Subject: HVAC and instillation in exchange for donation?
Like John said, there's no gift here, it's a ruse. The donor is getting an air conditioner in exchange for paying $10k in pre-tax dollars, instead of $13k in post-tax dollars. And the company gets to drive $10k in cash to a charity it wants to support, but is only supplying service and inventory worth a fraction of that. This is exactly the kind of thing the IRS doesn't want charitable deductions to be able to achieve.
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Original Message:
Sent: 11/19/2024 12:20:00 PM
From: Kimberly Abel
Subject: RE: HVAC and instillation in exchange for donation?
Sorry, I wasn't very clear. A customer of the HVAC company is giving us $10K and the HVAC company will install an HVAC for that customer in exchange.
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Kimberly Abel
Phoenix Children's Hospital Foundation
kabel@phoenixchildrens.com
Original Message:
Sent: 11-19-2024 10:37 AM
From: John Taylor
Subject: HVAC and instillation in exchange for donation?
I need some clarification. Are they giving you the HVAC and $10,000? Or are they only giving you cash if you agree to buy their HVAC?
If the latter, there is no charitable donation because you would not get the $10,000 if you didn't buy the HVAC.
But if they are giving you BOTH the money and the unit, each is a donation, although if the $13,000 HVAC unit includes installation costs (services), that portion is not a gift.
John
John H. Taylor, PrincipalJohn H. Taylor Consulting, LLC
2604 Sevier Street
Durham, NC 27705
919.816.5903 (cell/text)
Serving the Advancement Community Since 1987
Original Message:
Sent: 11/19/2024 11:27:00 AM
From: Kimberly Abel
Subject: HVAC and instillation in exchange for donation?
We have a situation that is new to me, so I thought I'd get some advice. We have an HVAC company that is willing to give and install an HVAC unit worth about $13,000 in exchange for a $10,000 donation to our organization. So the $10K donor wouldn't get a tax deduction because the goods and services would be more than than the donation. But is there any problem with crediting the HVAC company for the in-kind amount of the HVAC units they give to the donors? Are there any problems that I should be thinking of?
I appreciate any input.
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Kimberly Abel
Director, Development Operations & Technology
Phoenix Children's Hospital Foundation
kabel@phoenixchildrens.com
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