I am late to this discussion. But if I am following correctly, the issue if a mandatory payment is the issue. The IRS makesnt clear that for a deductible donation to exist it must be voluntary. See IRS Publication 526. The argument here is that you are being forced to pay in order to play. Depending on the circumstances, this would nullify the deductibility.
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> On Sep 6, 2019, at 5:58 PM, Isaac Shalev <
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> Michael, I don't really understand the analysis by which you're concluding that a required contribution for a governing board could be considered non-charitable and as a result, non-deductible. A board seat is not a benefit. It's a set of duties. Board members are limiting themselves to act in the best interest of the organization, even when it goes against their own best interests. They take upon themselves duties of loyalty and care. Thus, a contribution, even a mandatory one, shouldn't be seen as a transaction that is for the benefit of the donor or in which the donor receives a benefit . That's the analysis all my advisers have shared with me - and I've now spoken to a two lawyers and an accountant, as this has really shaken my foundations! (One of them, btw, joking said to me that joining a board is most certainly not a benefit to the donor, as all board members know, or discover right after the first meeting!)
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> The real issue, practically, is that if a charity knowingly accepts money that is NOT a donation, but issues a charitable receipt, that's a problem. Thus, while any individual's tax situation is not for an NPO to comment on, nor is the deductibility of any gift by any donor, it does appear that a charity has to determine whether money it receives is a charitable gift. That's why this issue matters - not to the donor, who, as you rightly say, isn't going to face any enforcement, but to the NPO, that has to set policies regarding board eligibility and duties, and has to properly acknowledge gifts vs non-gifts.
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> The best advice, in all such cases, is to consult your tax adviser for your tax return, so none of these conversations should be seen as direct guidance to anyone, of course. I would very much welcome a substantive clarification from an IRS ruling, case law, or anything else that clearly explicates this issue. Anyone have something we could look at?
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>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 3:59 PM Michael Wyland <
michael@sumptionandwyland.com> wrote:
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>> I'm not surprised that many consider a mandatory contribution as a condition of board service to be "best practice." That's not the same as it being tax deductible as a charitable gift.
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>> If the goal is 100% board giving, with the amount being flexible based on each member's capacity, there's no problem. As much as I hate the "give or get" approach, that, too, can be acceptable as a deductible charitable gift as long as specific dollar amounts are avoided.
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>> As I understand it, the IRS doesn't routinely investigate the conditions under which a charitable deduction is made by a taxpayer. Even in audit conditions, usually the presence of appropriate and contemporaneous documentation (see IRS Publication 1771) by an eligible charity is sufficient. As a result, the issue is raised very rarely, and usually as a feature of a larger investigation either into a taxpayer or a charity.
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>> The lack of stories about violations of the IRS regulations in this area help perpetuate the belief that mandatory board member gifts are somehow OK and are the same as voluntary giving. Due to the relative lack of IRS investigation capacity and the most common failing of Form 990 filings being missing or incomplete information, it's unlikely that we'll hear about enforcement actions in this area any time soon.
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>> Nothing in my musings should be interpreted as condoning, much less an invitation, to engage in conduct contrary to IRS regulations! That is emphatically not my intent, as I hope is clear in the context of my response.
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>> From: Advancement Services Discussion List On Behalf Of Isaac Shalev
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>> Is there some distinction between a higher ed Board of Governors vs a nonprofit Board of Directors that might create this distinction?
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>> In twenty years in the nonprofit field, I've never encountered the notion that mandatory board member gifts at NPOs, even at set amounts, are not tax deductible. Just the opposite, they're considered a best practice. Stanford Business had a survey showing over 40% of nonprofits had a give-or-get policy with a minimum number indicated (pdf link, page 4 bottom left -
https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/sites/gsb/files/publication-pdf/cgri-survey-nonprofit-board-directors-2015.pdf). Many foundations and major donors won't support orgs that don't have 100% giving participation from board members. I would be astonished to learn that the IRS doesn't allow these gifts to be deducted. Folks should certainly consult their own advisers, but I did call my lawyer and he confirmed that in his opinion there's no issue with deducting those gifts.
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>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 1:57 PM Bob Swanson <
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>> I am in agreement with Michael’s comments regarding the tax deductibility of a required donation in order to retain you Board position. It would be difficult to deduct and then defend when audited.
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>> From: Advancement Services Discussion List <
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>> Isaac and Angela:
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>> The CASE rules may be the same regardless of whether a board gift is voluntary or prescribed, but the IRS may take a different view and that different view may affect gift receipting by the institution.
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>> I like the "top three giving priorities" approach that Isaac describes, or the "meaningful gift" criterion that Jerrold Panas advocated. This approach not only expands the pool of potential board members, but it also makes the expectation of support sufficiently fluid as to avoid the appearance (or fact) of a quid pro quo transaction.
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>> Setting a specific dollar amount or threshold contribution may nullify the donor's ability to deduct the gift as a charitable contribution because it becomes a transaction rather than a gift motivated primarily or exclusively by philanthropic intent.
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