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  • 1.  [External] [FUNDSVCS] GDPR experience

    Posted 08-20-2019 03:14 PM
    Greg took the words out of my mouth - and very much more gooder :-). I also am not a lawyer. This topic will be discussed extensively during the Ethics Panel I am leading at aasp Summit. But Greg hit the nail on the head. The only real exemption is when the alumni tell you it is okay. Two other little sidebars - one you have already figured out. Many think GDPR applies only to the UK - it does, in fact, cover the entire EU. I do wonder (and have not researched) what happens if Brexit happens. The other thing worth mentioning is that GDPR applies to all EU citizens. There is some debate regarding EU citizens who reside outside the EU. And the EU GDPR.org website also uses the term "subjects." One item we will discuss at Summit is what happens to a citizen of the EU who moves to the US - but retains their citizenship back in the EU. John John H. Taylor Principal John H. Taylor Consulting, LLC 2604 Sevier St. Durham, NC 27705 johntaylorconsulting@gmail.com 919.816.5903 (cell/text) Serving the Advancement Community Since 1987 On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 3:59 PM Gregory Duke <greg@staupell.com> wrote: > Josh, > > I must state up front that I am not an attorney, but I'm hesitant to say > that a person which sends out invitations on behalf of an educational > institution is exempt from GDPR legislation. Article 4(18) of the > Regulation states that individuals are exempt from GDPR rules only if they > are conducting exclusively personal or household activity. In other words, > individuals are exempt if they're sending out invitations to a personal > party or wedding, but not if they're sending invitations on behalf of a > company or non-profit organization. > > I think there might have a better case with the "Legitimate Interest" > exemption to contacting your alumni. Recital 47 of the GDPR commission > allows for such contact presuming that a person holds a "relevant and > appropriate relationship" with an organization. I would stress here that > this exemption specifically does not apply to "direct marketing" or > presumably fundraising (this is clarified in Recital 70). It also allows > for organizations to allow contact with individuals holding a "relevant and > appropriate relationship" for the purposes of asking them to opt-in to > receive further communications from the organization--I know that has been > a point of concern for a number of US and Canadian organizations post-GDPR. > > Again, I'm not an attorney, but I've been following and working with EU > data protection laws for the past 20 years. If anything I've gotten to > know how complex the legislation really is (the fact that the EU has had to > issue over 70 official clarifications of the law is testament to that > complexity!) And I agree with Josh that before you send anything to the EU > or to EU citizens that you work with an attorney first. > > Thanks, > > Greg > > Gregory Duke, D.Phil, bCRE-PRO > > Staupell Analytics > > > greg@staupell.com > > http://www.staupell.com > > > Ph. (716) 946-1870 > > Twitter: GregoryEDuke > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Advancement Services Discussion List < > FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG> on behalf of Greenbaum, Josh S < > JGREE2@EMORY.EDU> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:38 PM > *To:* FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG <FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG> > *Subject:* Re: [FUNDSVCS] [External] [FUNDSVCS] GDPR experience > > > Hey Amy, > > > > I posed this very question to our counsel when GDPR went into effect. > Essentially the answer was if it is done under the official auspices of the > institution, you’re not supposed to do it. However if the alum wants to do > it more independently, they an do so. As always, check with your counsel. > > > > -jsg > > *_____________________* > > *Joshua S. Greenbaum 09B, Executive Director* > > *Advancement Information Services* > > Emory University, Advancement & Alumni Engagement > > 1762 Clifton Road, Office 1456, Atlanta, GA 30322 > > Office: (404) 712-2020, Fax: (404) 727-4876 > > josh.greenbaum@emory.edu > > > > *This email (including any attachments) and/or report is proprietary and > confidential information belonging to Emory University and should be shared > or discussed with, or disseminated to, only those Emory University > personnel, contractors, consultants, or volunteers who are authorized to > have access to the information for Emory University business. Any data in > this email (including any attachments) and/or report should be handled in > accordance with **Advancement & Alumni Engagement’s Policy on Reporting. > * > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Advancement Services Discussion List < > FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG> *On Behalf Of *Amy Heller > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:25 PM > *To:* FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG > *Subject:* [External] [FUNDSVCS] GDPR experience > > > > Hello, > > > > We have a GDPR-related issue and would like to see if any other schools > have experienced something similar. The University of Montana has 76 > alumni whose last known address is in France. One of those alums would > like to organize an alumni gathering in France and would like to > communicate with the other 75. Given the GDPR regulations, the Alumni > Association isn’t sure how to respond to the request. Has anyone else had > a similar situation and if so how did you handle it? > > > Thank you for your help! > > > > Amy > > > > > > *Amy Heller* > > Director of CRM Data Management and Training > > *University of Montana Foundation * > > Office: 406.243.2593 | Direct: 406.243.4464 > > *CampaignMontana.org* > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.campaignmontana.org_&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=984RMR36hPmikF7s6oK6Uepf5oMP3Utjjovi7kvUZbE&m=BLnFDg88LpFnbPWcGFitghLpLF9EF1oqkMwwZMCdkGE&s=UDQ0W1Gg5i0MYI2L0EU9UUvIn_AlnX4QC9YaZUueI5o&e=>* > | Think Big. Be Bold.* > > > > *The UM Foundation inspires philanthropic support to enhance excellence > and opportunity at the University of Montana.* > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain > confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized > disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, > please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution > or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly > prohibited. > > If you have received this message in error, please contact > the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the > original message (including attachments). >


  • 2.  Re: [External] [FUNDSVCS] GDPR experience

    Posted 08-20-2019 06:39 PM
    Hey Amy, I posed this very question to our counsel when GDPR went into effect. Essentially the answer was if it is done under the official auspices of the institution, you're not supposed to do it. However if the alum wants to do it more independently, they an do so. As always, check with your counsel. -jsg _____________________ Joshua S. Greenbaum 09B, Executive Director Advancement Information Services Emory University, Advancement & Alumni Engagement 1762 Clifton Road, Office 1456, Atlanta, GA 30322 Office: (404) 712-2020, Fax: (404) 727-4876 josh.greenbaum@emory.edu<mailto:josh.greenbaum@emory.edu> This email (including any attachments) and/or report is proprietary and confidential information belonging to Emory University and should be shared or discussed with, or disseminated to, only those Emory University personnel, contractors, consultants, or volunteers who are authorized to have access to the information for Emory University business. Any data in this email (including any attachments) and/or report should be handled in accordance with Advancement & Alumni Engagement's Policy on Reporting. From: Advancement Services Discussion List <FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG> On Behalf Of Amy Heller Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:25 PM To: FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG Subject: [External] [FUNDSVCS] GDPR experience Hello, We have a GDPR-related issue and would like to see if any other schools have experienced something similar. The University of Montana has 76 alumni whose last known address is in France. One of those alums would like to organize an alumni gathering in France and would like to communicate with the other 75. Given the GDPR regulations, the Alumni Association isn't sure how to respond to the request. Has anyone else had a similar situation and if so how did you handle it? Thank you for your help! Amy Amy Heller Director of CRM Data Management and Training University of Montana Foundation Office: 406.243.2593 | Direct: 406.243.4464 CampaignMontana.org<https://www.campaignmontana.org/> | Think Big. Be Bold. The UM Foundation inspires philanthropic support to enhance excellence and opportunity at the University of Montana. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments).


  • 3.  Re: [External] [FUNDSVCS] GDPR experience

    Posted 08-20-2019 07:00 PM
    Josh, I must state up front that I am not an attorney, but I'm hesitant to say that a person which sends out invitations on behalf of an educational institution is exempt from GDPR legislation. Article 4(18) of the Regulation states that individuals are exempt from GDPR rules only if they are conducting exclusively personal or household activity. In other words, individuals are exempt if they're sending out invitations to a personal party or wedding, but not if they're sending invitations on behalf of a company or non-profit organization. I think there might have a better case with the "Legitimate Interest" exemption to contacting your alumni. Recital 47 of the GDPR commission allows for such contact presuming that a person holds a "relevant and appropriate relationship" with an organization. I would stress here that this exemption specifically does not apply to "direct marketing" or presumably fundraising (this is clarified in Recital 70). It also allows for organizations to allow contact with individuals holding a "relevant and appropriate relationship" for the purposes of asking them to opt-in to receive further communications from the organization--I know that has been a point of concern for a number of US and Canadian organizations post-GDPR. Again, I'm not an attorney, but I've been following and working with EU data protection laws for the past 20 years. If anything I've gotten to know how complex the legislation really is (the fact that the EU has had to issue over 70 official clarifications of the law is testament to that complexity!) And I agree with Josh that before you send anything to the EU or to EU citizens that you work with an attorney first. Thanks, Greg Gregory Duke, D.Phil, bCRE-PRO Staupell Analytics greg@staupell.com http://www.staupell.com Ph. (716) 946-1870 Twitter: GregoryEDuke [cid:700a51eb-7c8c-4553-83bc-dfa71b3668f6] ________________________________ From: Advancement Services Discussion List <FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG> on behalf of Greenbaum, Josh S <JGREE2@EMORY.EDU> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:38 PM To: FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG <FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG> Subject: Re: [FUNDSVCS] [External] [FUNDSVCS] GDPR experience Hey Amy, I posed this very question to our counsel when GDPR went into effect. Essentially the answer was if it is done under the official auspices of the institution, you’re not supposed to do it. However if the alum wants to do it more independently, they an do so. As always, check with your counsel. -jsg _____________________ Joshua S. Greenbaum 09B, Executive Director Advancement Information Services Emory University, Advancement & Alumni Engagement 1762 Clifton Road, Office 1456, Atlanta, GA 30322 Office: (404) 712-2020, Fax: (404) 727-4876 josh.greenbaum@emory.edu<mailto:josh.greenbaum@emory.edu> This email (including any attachments) and/or report is proprietary and confidential information belonging to Emory University and should be shared or discussed with, or disseminated to, only those Emory University personnel, contractors, consultants, or volunteers who are authorized to have access to the information for Emory University business. Any data in this email (including any attachments) and/or report should be handled in accordance with Advancement & Alumni Engagement’s Policy on Reporting. From: Advancement Services Discussion List <FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG> On Behalf Of Amy Heller Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:25 PM To: FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG Subject: [External] [FUNDSVCS] GDPR experience Hello, We have a GDPR-related issue and would like to see if any other schools have experienced something similar. The University of Montana has 76 alumni whose last known address is in France. One of those alums would like to organize an alumni gathering in France and would like to communicate with the other 75. Given the GDPR regulations, the Alumni Association isn’t sure how to respond to the request. Has anyone else had a similar situation and if so how did you handle it? Thank you for your help! Amy Amy Heller Director of CRM Data Management and Training University of Montana Foundation Office: 406.243.2593 | Direct: 406.243.4464 CampaignMontana.org<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.campaignmontana.org_&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=984RMR36hPmikF7s6oK6Uepf5oMP3Utjjovi7kvUZbE&m=BLnFDg88LpFnbPWcGFitghLpLF9EF1oqkMwwZMCdkGE&s=UDQ0W1Gg5i0MYI2L0EU9UUvIn_AlnX4QC9YaZUueI5o&e=> | Think Big. Be Bold. The UM Foundation inspires philanthropic support to enhance excellence and opportunity at the University of Montana. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments).


  • 4.  Re: [External] [FUNDSVCS] GDPR experience

    Posted 08-20-2019 07:31 PM
    John: Thanks for the kind words--i can't claim to have a "gooder" understanding of the law than anyone else but I try my best. A couple points I would make: 1. I wouldn't go so far to say as opt-in from your alumni/donors is the only exemption--the Legitimate Interest rule is extremely important, seeing as it allows an institution which has been sent a gift to be able to send a thank-you letter and where appropriate a gift receipt in return regardless of whether the donor has opted in--but for most purposes you're safest with getting opt-in. For a lot of purposes, it's the only way to be safe. 2. If anyone knows how Brexit is going to end, buy a lottery ticket now! But we do have an idea about what will happen to GDPR when (if???) the UK leaves the EU. The UK Information Commissioner's Office has said that they're going to operate under the impression that the UK is going to adopt data protection laws that are substantially the same as the current GDPR. It remains to be seen whether a future UK government will pass a similar law or tinker with it. Here I have to put in a shameless plug for my blog posts on GDPR at www.staupell.com/blog, where I discuss the UK situation and other GDPR issues further. In short I'd say the best thing to do is get as many opt-ins from your alumni as possible (as I mentioned, asking for opt-in is not itself a violation as far as I know...check with your attorney). And as Issac rightly said in this thread I would hesitate to let a third party handle the addresses and mailing as that can lead to all kinds of GDPR and non-GDPR issues. I would send the letters from your institution on behalf of your alumnus rather than the other way around. Thanks, Greg Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Advancement Services Discussion List <FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG> on behalf of John Taylor <johntaylorconsulting@GMAIL.COM> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 1:13:47 PM To: FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG <FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG> Subject: Re: [FUNDSVCS] [External] [FUNDSVCS] GDPR experience Greg took the words out of my mouth - and very much more gooder :-). I also am not a lawyer. This topic will be discussed extensively during the Ethics Panel I am leading at aasp Summit. But Greg hit the nail on the head. The only real exemption is when the alumni tell you it is okay. Two other little sidebars - one you have already figured out. Many think GDPR applies only to the UK - it does, in fact, cover the entire EU. I do wonder (and have not researched) what happens if Brexit happens. The other thing worth mentioning is that GDPR applies to all EU citizens. There is some debate regarding EU citizens who reside outside the EU. And the EU GDPR.org website also uses the term "subjects." One item we will discuss at Summit is what happens to a citizen of the EU who moves to the US - but retains their citizenship back in the EU. John John H. Taylor Principal John H. Taylor Consulting, LLC 2604 Sevier St. Durham, NC 27705 johntaylorconsulting@gmail.com<mailto:johntaylorconsulting@gmail.com> 919.816.5903 (cell/text) Serving the Advancement Community Since 1987 On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 3:59 PM Gregory Duke <greg@staupell.com<mailto:greg@staupell.com>> wrote: Josh, I must state up front that I am not an attorney, but I'm hesitant to say that a person which sends out invitations on behalf of an educational institution is exempt from GDPR legislation. Article 4(18) of the Regulation states that individuals are exempt from GDPR rules only if they are conducting exclusively personal or household activity. In other words, individuals are exempt if they're sending out invitations to a personal party or wedding, but not if they're sending invitations on behalf of a company or non-profit organization. I think there might have a better case with the "Legitimate Interest" exemption to contacting your alumni. Recital 47 of the GDPR commission allows for such contact presuming that a person holds a "relevant and appropriate relationship" with an organization. I would stress here that this exemption specifically does not apply to "direct marketing" or presumably fundraising (this is clarified in Recital 70). It also allows for organizations to allow contact with individuals holding a "relevant and appropriate relationship" for the purposes of asking them to opt-in to receive further communications from the organization--I know that has been a point of concern for a number of US and Canadian organizations post-GDPR. Again, I'm not an attorney, but I've been following and working with EU data protection laws for the past 20 years. If anything I've gotten to know how complex the legislation really is (the fact that the EU has had to issue over 70 official clarifications of the law is testament to that complexity!) And I agree with Josh that before you send anything to the EU or to EU citizens that you work with an attorney first. Thanks, Greg Gregory Duke, D.Phil, bCRE-PRO Staupell Analytics greg@staupell.com<mailto:greg@staupell.com> http://www.staupell.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.staupell.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=984RMR36hPmikF7s6oK6Uepf5oMP3Utjjovi7kvUZbE&m=4iYD7kVqeqc6GlBAa9j-BU6Y3g7pIwQy40tAoBMxxQE&s=_FqeGEXRiIRl29EILrM0DsNUEFGM1ClIJl3-MpRPEVA&e=> Ph. (716) 946-1870 Twitter: GregoryEDuke [cid:16cb0a1b728bfc19a7d1] ________________________________ From: Advancement Services Discussion List <FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG<mailto:FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG>> on behalf of Greenbaum, Josh S <JGREE2@EMORY.EDU<mailto:JGREE2@EMORY.EDU>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:38 PM To: FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG<mailto:FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG> <FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG<mailto:FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG>> Subject: Re: [FUNDSVCS] [External] [FUNDSVCS] GDPR experience Hey Amy, I posed this very question to our counsel when GDPR went into effect. Essentially the answer was if it is done under the official auspices of the institution, you’re not supposed to do it. However if the alum wants to do it more independently, they an do so. As always, check with your counsel. -jsg _____________________ Joshua S. Greenbaum 09B, Executive Director Advancement Information Services Emory University, Advancement & Alumni Engagement 1762 Clifton Road, Office 1456, Atlanta, GA 30322 Office: (404) 712-2020, Fax: (404) 727-4876 josh.greenbaum@emory.edu<mailto:josh.greenbaum@emory.edu> This email (including any attachments) and/or report is proprietary and confidential information belonging to Emory University and should be shared or discussed with, or disseminated to, only those Emory University personnel, contractors, consultants, or volunteers who are authorized to have access to the information for Emory University business. Any data in this email (including any attachments) and/or report should be handled in accordance with Advancement & Alumni Engagement’s Policy on Reporting. From: Advancement Services Discussion List <FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG<mailto:FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG>> On Behalf Of Amy Heller Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:25 PM To: FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG<mailto:FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG> Subject: [External] [FUNDSVCS] GDPR experience Hello, We have a GDPR-related issue and would like to see if any other schools have experienced something similar. The University of Montana has 76 alumni whose last known address is in France. One of those alums would like to organize an alumni gathering in France and would like to communicate with the other 75. Given the GDPR regulations, the Alumni Association isn’t sure how to respond to the request. Has anyone else had a similar situation and if so how did you handle it? Thank you for your help! Amy Amy Heller Director of CRM Data Management and Training University of Montana Foundation Office: 406.243.2593 | Direct: 406.243.4464 CampaignMontana.org<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.campaignmontana.org_&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=984RMR36hPmikF7s6oK6Uepf5oMP3Utjjovi7kvUZbE&m=BLnFDg88LpFnbPWcGFitghLpLF9EF1oqkMwwZMCdkGE&s=UDQ0W1Gg5i0MYI2L0EU9UUvIn_AlnX4QC9YaZUueI5o&e=> | Think Big. Be Bold. The UM Foundation inspires philanthropic support to enhance excellence and opportunity at the University of Montana. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments).