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Not a gift, since they are giving it to themselves. I would thank the baseball team and hand the check over to your business office for them to deposit into the team’s account. —Bill Sent from my iPhone > > Hi all, > > We recently had some questions that came up in regards to students working and an organizations donating or paying the University for the service. > > 1. We had some students help an organization to help work a function the organization had. The organization wanted to "pay" the students but wrote a check to the University instead. The baseball team didn't want to be paid for their services in turn wanted it to help support the baseball team. Would you consider this a "gift" from the students since they didn't want to be paid or would this be considered a form of income and not necessarily a gift since the organization was making a "payment"? > > 2. We have another organization "pay" students for there work they did recently as well. The organization sent the check to the University since the students won't and don't want to get paid but want it to help the athletic team. Same scenario, gift or income? > > Thanks for your advice. > > Anna Simons > Saint Xavier University

More specifically, in both cases the outside organizations are paying for services they received. While the funds may not have gone to the students, the organizations still received a benefit. These sound like exchange transactions, not charitable contributions. John John Taylor 919.816.5903 johntaylorconsulting@gmail.com Big ideas; small keyboard > On Aug 19, 2019, at 9:03 PM, Bill Wong <wswong@scad.edu> wrote: > > Not a gift, since they are giving it to themselves. I would thank the baseball team and hand the check over to your business office for them to deposit into the team’s account. —Bill > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> Hi all, >> >> We recently had some questions that came up in regards to students working and an organizations donating or paying the University for the service. >> >> 1. We had some students help an organization to help work a function the organization had. The organization wanted to "pay" the students but wrote a check to the University instead. The baseball team didn't want to be paid for their services in turn wanted it to help support the baseball team. Would you consider this a "gift" from the students since they didn't want to be paid or would this be considered a form of income and not necessarily a gift since the organization was making a "payment"? >> >> 2. We have another organization "pay" students for there work they did recently as well. The organization sent the check to the University since the students won't and don't want to get paid but want it to help the athletic team. Same scenario, gift or income? >> >> Thanks for your advice. >> >> Anna Simons >> Saint Xavier University

I read it more like the business wrote the check to the wrong entity in the first place and the money was meant to go to individual baseball players. Then, the baseball players were giving it to the college. Either way, same result. —Bill Sent from my iPhone > > More specifically, in both cases the outside organizations are paying for services they received. While the funds may not have gone to the students, the organizations still received a benefit. These sound like exchange transactions, not charitable contributions. > > John > > John Taylor > 919.816.5903 > johntaylorconsulting@gmail.com > > Big ideas; small keyboard > >> On Aug 19, 2019, at 9:03 PM, Bill Wong <wswong@scad.edu> wrote: >> >> Not a gift, since they are giving it to themselves. I would thank the baseball team and hand the check over to your business office for them to deposit into the team’s account. —Bill >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> We recently had some questions that came up in regards to students working and an organizations donating or paying the University for the service. >>> >>> 1. We had some students help an organization to help work a function the organization had. The organization wanted to "pay" the students but wrote a check to the University instead. The baseball team didn't want to be paid for their services in turn wanted it to help support the baseball team. Would you consider this a "gift" from the students since they didn't want to be paid or would this be considered a form of income and not necessarily a gift since the organization was making a "payment"? >>> >>> 2. We have another organization "pay" students for there work they did recently as well. The organization sent the check to the University since the students won't and don't want to get paid but want it to help the athletic team. Same scenario, gift or income? >>> >>> Thanks for your advice. >>> >>> Anna Simons >>> Saint Xavier University

There are a few issues, but I like to start with the last step: some org paid the University. It's clear that there was no charitable intent, since the payment was in exchange for services rendered. That's a clear indication that this isn't a gift. I'd also be concerned about labor laws here. Why aren't the students getting paid for their work? Are they volunteering for the University? This piece feels murky. Thank you, Isaac Shalev CRM Expert Sage70, Inc. (917) 859-0151 isaac@sage70.com Schedule a *30-minute consultation *now: https://calendly.com/sage70/30min On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 8:30 PM Anna Wilk < 0000000db8c39c8e-dmarc-request@listserv.fundsvcs.org> wrote: > Hi all, > > We recently had some questions that came up in regards to students working > and an organizations donating or paying the University for the service. > > 1. We had some students help an organization to help work a function the > organization had. The organization wanted to "pay" the students but wrote > a check to the University instead. The baseball team didn't want to be > paid for their services in turn wanted it to help support the baseball > team. Would you consider this a "gift" from the students since they didn't > want to be paid or would this be considered a form of income and not > necessarily a gift since the organization was making a "payment"? > > 2. We have another organization "pay" students for there work they did > recently as well. The organization sent the check to the University since > the students won't and don't want to get paid but want it to help the > athletic team. Same scenario, gift or income? > > Thanks for your advice. > > Anna Simons > Saint Xavier University >

Hi all, We recently had some questions that came up in regards to students working and an organizations donating or paying the University for the service. 1. We had some students help an organization to help work a function the organization had.  The organization wanted to "pay" the students but wrote a check to the University instead.  The baseball team didn't want to be paid for their services in turn wanted it to help support the baseball team. Would you consider this a "gift" from the students since they didn't want to be paid or would this be considered a form of income and not necessarily a gift since the organization was making a "payment"? 2. We have another organization "pay" students for there work they did recently as well.  The organization sent the check to the University since the students won't and don't want to get paid but want it to help the athletic team.  Same scenario, gift or income? Thanks for your advice. Anna SimonsSaint Xavier University