Very nice – I like your choices, too.
Mark
Mark W. Bolme
University of Oregon Foundation
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FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG] On Behalf Of Crispin, Kelli
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Subject: Re: [FUNDSVCS] Gender Options & Titles/Salutations
Here are the simple name formats that didn’t really get impacted, because it doesn’t matter if there are missing titles, and gender is not a factor:
Format
Example
Joint Informal Addressee*
Jane Ann Smith and Mary Lynn Smith
Joint Informal Salutation
Jane and Mary
Joint Formal Addressee*
Ms. Jane Ann Smith and Dr. Mary Lynn Smith
Joint Formal Addressee with Prof Suffix
Jane Ann Smith and Mary Lynn Smith MD
Joint Formal Stacked Addressee*
Ms. Jane Ann Smith
Dr. Mary Lynn Smith
*These formats also include a Suffix, such as Jr./Sr./III, if applicable
In ALL of these formats, the primary household member is listed first
The titles in the Addressee formats above pull from the Title2 field
Here are the ones that needed different formats, depending on the scenario:
Format
Scenario
Example
Notes
Joint Formal Addressee by Gender and Title
Male/female couple with the same last name, both have Title2, one spouse is a Ms. or Mrs., the other spouse is anything but Mx.
Mr. and Mrs. John A. Smith Jr. OR
Dr. and Mrs. John A. Smith
Male is listed first, Ms. gets changed to Mrs.
Joint Formal Addressee by Gender and Title
Male/female couple with different last names
Mr. John A. Smith Jr. and Ms. Mary L. Jones
Male is listed first
Joint Formal Addressee by Gender and Title
One spouse with Title2 other than Mx., Mr., Ms. or Mrs., regardless of gender
Dr. Mary L. Smith and Mr. John A. Smith Jr.
Other Title2 is listed first
Joint Formal Addressee by Gender and Title
Both spouses with differing Title2 other than Mx., Mr., Ms. or Mrs.
Captain Taylor W. Jones and The Honorable Ryan P. Smith Sr.
Primary household member is listed first
Joint Formal Addressee by Gender and Title
Same-sex couples
Mr. John A. Smith Jr. and Mr. Thomas X. Jones
Primary household member is listed first, unless one has an "other" Title 2
Joint Formal Addressee by Gender and Title
One or both spouses with Mx.
Mx. Taylor W. Jones and The Honorable Ryan P. Smith Sr.
Primary household member is listed first
Joint Formal Addressee by Gender and Title
One or both spouses missing Title2
Taylor W. Jones and The Honorable Ryan P. Smith Sr.
Primary household member is listed first
Joint Formal Salutation*
Male/female couple with the same last name
Mrs. and Mr. Smith OR
Dr. and Captain Smith
Joint Formal Salutation*
Couple with the same Title2 and last name
Drs. Smith
Drs., Reverends, Professors, Judges, Justices ONLY
Joint Formal Salutation*
One or both missing title, same last name
Ryan and Mr. James Smith
Joint Formal Salutation*
One or both missing title, different last names
Mx. Ryan Jones and James Smith
Joint Formal Salutation*
Couple with different last names, regardless of gender
Mrs. Smith and Mr. Jones
Joint Formal Salutation by Gender and Title
Male/female couple with the same last name, both have Title, one spouse is a Ms. or Mrs., the other spouse is anything but Mx.
Mr. and Mrs. Smith OR
Dr. and Mrs. Smith
Male is listed first, Ms. gets changed to Mrs.
Joint Formal Salutation by Gender and Title
Couple with the same Title and last name
Drs. Smith
Drs., Reverends, Professors, Judges, Justices ONLY
Joint Formal Salutation by Gender and Title
One or both missing title, same last name
Ryan and Mr. James Smith
Joint Formal Salutation by Gender and Title
One or both missing title, different last names
Mx. Ryan Jones and James Smith
Joint Formal Salutation by Gender and Title
Couple with different last names, both spouse have one of Mx., Mr., Ms. or Mrs., regardless of gender
Mrs. Smith and Mr. Jones
Primary household member is listed first
Joint Formal Salutation by Gender and Title
Couple with different last names, one spouse with Title other than Mx., Mr., Ms. or Mrs., regardless of gender
Dr. Jones and Mx. Smith
Other Title2 is listed first
Joint Formal Salutation by Gender and Title
Couple with different last names, both spouses with differing Title other than Mx., Mr., Ms. or Mrs., regardless of gender
Captain Jones and Senator Smith
Primary household member is listed first
* Primary household member is always listed first on Joint Formal Salutation
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FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG>> On Behalf Of Hornbeck, Cynthia
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Kelli,
I would be interested in how you set your system up and what your customization in the name formats are. We are currently struggling with this issue and have not been able to come up with anything that will make everyone happy. If you would not mind sharing that would be great.
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FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG>> On Behalf Of Crispin, Kelli
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Hi Tracy,
There are probably a couple of email threads in the archives on this topic, so you may want to check those out. I wholeheartedly agree with Alan, as far as determining what you want to do with the information. As a higher ed, we get the gender from the registrar/admissions office, as well as HR, but we were primarily concerned with how to respectfully address folks. We decided that if we didn’t receive gender on a record or in a data feed, we would not infer gender by first name. This means that we have records with and without title for a variety of reasons. Here’s a few other things we decided:
* Mx is used ONLY if specifically requested by the constituent
* BBCRM allows for F/M/Unknown/Other. It was simplest for us to keep with Unknown, rather than use Other, but we will keep our options open if it makes more sense to use Other at some point.
* We customized an area for Special Information that is used for a variety of things, including recording if the person requested the removal of an F or M gender, if they identify as non-binary, if they prefer no title (regardless of identity), and their pronouns. (I also hear repeatedly from the trans* community that they are not “preferred” pronouns, but simply pronouns.)
* We customized our name formats extensively, especially with couples and situations where we have titles on one spouse and not on the other. (I can provide more specifics if folks are interested.)
What this boils down to is we have a very large database with a tradition of gendering the records in the past and new data without gender or title. It goes a bit against our desire for consistent data, but accurate data is more important, and offending folks by misgendering is something we definitely want to avoid.
I consulted with our non-binary LGBTQ Center director, who recommended that we use a field name of “Self Reported” as opposed to Unknown or Other. We did not go with this, as it required more extensive customization and developer time for a relatively few constituents. However, this might be an option for an organization that may have a greater number of non-binary constituents, or it may become more common in the future, in general. This is an evolving situation that I believe requires flexibility in database design.
Regards,
Kelli
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FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG>> On Behalf Of Terry Callaghan
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I’ll just add to this that in addition to preference for prefix, there should also be a preference for pronoun. He/She/They – for example.
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FUNDSVCS@LISTSERV.FUNDSVCS.ORG>> On Behalf Of Hejnal, Alan
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Subject: Re: [FUNDSVCS] Gender Options & Titles/Salutations
It’s an interesting and timely question, and I don’t have anything worked-out to recommend, but I do have a few thoughts.
It seems to me that the root of the matter is to understand why we maintain this data and what we think that we’re going to do with it.
By way of reference, the gender coding in our database is still set up with the legacy choices of M/F/U (using U/Unknown even for entities that are couples, which is not really the same thing!).
The discussions that we’ve had to date have generally tended in the direction of just not recording this data, letting all records default to “Unknown,” and only using prefix/courtesy titles where those have been requested by the constituent.
It’s true that our context, and our relationship with our constituents, is different from the relationship between and educational institution and its alumni, so perhaps educational institutions might have a need for this data (which, of course, is not quite the same thing as having the data readily available!). But I think that the fundamental points are still to identify why you need the data, to weigh that use/those uses against any issues that might arise from maintaining that data, and then structure your coding and processes to accomplish that purpose.
Historically, having gender coded has been useful for inferring prefix/courtesy titles that were customarily applied as part of data standards. It has also been useful in assessing ambiguous data, such as inferring whether two constituents might be married in the absence of specific information, as a data point in evaluating whether two records might be the same person, etc. But all of those uses are increasingly fraught.
Two additional thoughts:
· It seems to me that there might be value in having a gender code for recording when a constituent pro-actively does not identify as having a gender and/or does not wish the institution to track it, which is a different thing than the gender being unknown or even not reported.
· Thinking about how gender-related data may be used practically, it may be that rather than recording gender per se there would be more value in recording a constituent’s preference for a specific prefix/courtesy title (or no prefix/courtesy title!), and also In recording the constituent’s preferred pronouns. Those are data points that you might actually use and want to use sensitively.
My US$0.02 worth; the usual disclaimers apply.
Good luck!
Alan
Alan S. Hejnal
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Subject: [FUNDSVCS] Gender Options & Titles/Salutations
We now have five gender options students can select when registering.
A= Another Gender Identity
U= Not Reported
X=Indeterminate/Intersex/Unspec
F= Female
M= Male
We remove the title of Mr., Ms. Miss when A or X are selected, but not sure what to do when someone selects not reported. Especially this year, students didn't have these options when they registered four years ago (so their student records have gender and title). Now some students have updated their registrar's record to Not Reported. Thoughts, suggestions, or maybe others have rules around these scenarios already. My first thought is to remove the title as well since they changed their gender to not reported since they registered.
Thanks
Tracy Glidden
University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
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