Thank you.
Carol
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I would want to review all of the documentation surrounding this transaction, but if I was satisfied that the vendor was acting as the legal agent for the employee - and since I received cash and not points - I would be inclined to treat the payment as a cash gift.
John
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On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 9:37 AM Jones, Carol B <
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John, just to clarify—would we receipt the employee for the actual dollar amount received via the vendor as a cash gift, or as a gift in-kind with no dollar amount?
Carol
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Having more details is excellent.
As the employee has paid taxes on the value of the points than any distribution of funds related to those points they now "own" would be a gift from the employee. The vendor merely is facilitating the exchange.
John
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On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 11:25 AM Jones, Carol B <
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After more research, I found out a couple of important pieces of information.
• When points are awarded, the organization “grosses up” the value of the points to cover the amount to be paid for taxes to result in a net zero impact on the employee’s income. For example:
o Gross Pay: $60
o Taxes: $20
o Post-tax deduction: $40
o Net Pay: $0
• The points are held by an external vendor. Our organization pays the cash value of employee points to the vendor when the employee chooses to redeem any of his or her points. The vendor then handles any redemption processing for gift cards or merchandise.
In this scenario, it appears that the vendor would be the legal donor. Employees would receive soft credit. Do you agree?
OR
Since taxes are shown as paid on the employee’s paystub, would the employee be considered the legal donor? (I’m assuming not since the funds would come from the vendor.)
Thanks,
Carol
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University Hospitals
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I believe the original example pertained to the nonprofit organization itself who offers points to its employees. This is not an external company/point scenario.
However, in an external situation such as you describe, after verifying that the points were not added to the employee's W-2 as income (it would not be a 1099 situation I don't think) I would also treat it as a gift from the company.
John
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On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 12:02 PM Gross, Debra <
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We get a check from the company that administers the program, when an employee donates their points. We hard credit the company and soft credit the employee. The dollar amount is pretty small and I don’t believe the employee gets a 1099.
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I understood you to say that the employee had already paid taxes on the points they earned. If that is an accurate understanding, then they are the donor.
How you handle the internal mechanics of "cashing in" the points and placing those dollars into a specific fund is completely up to you. However, I can already "hear" other departments arguing for a piece of the action. So it is possible you will encounter some political waters to navigate.
John
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On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 11:45 AM Jones, Carol B <
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John, so you would see the employee and not the organization as the actual donor?
The idea would be to give the cash value of the points, held by HR, to an unrestricted fund. Acceptable?
Carol
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If you are saying that the employees who earn the points are paying taxes on the fair market value of the points, then I think an argument can be made for the employee being able to donate these points back to the institution. Assuming, that is, they can be used by the institution. If they cannot be used, then you run into the unrelated use problem of the IRS which restricts the donors' donation to the cost basis of the gift.
Regardless, if you and Counsel agree that these can be treated as gifts then they would be a gift-in-kind meaning that the receipt should only provide a description and no value.
John
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On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 11:28 AM Jones, Carol B <
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Our organization has a program in which employees can express their appreciation to each other by awarding points for going above and beyond in their jobs. These points have a monetary value that can be redeemed for gift cards or merchandise. The money behind the points sits in a fund overseen by Human Resources, and the unused points are tracked for the individual employees to whom they were awarded.
Two things to note:
• Taxes for the points have already been paid.
• The funds never touch the employee’s hands.
Is it possible for points to be donated back to the organization as an unrestricted gift? Essentially, the donor is the organization itself and the employee would receive soft credit.
Thanks,
Carol
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