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  • 1.  Help Settle the Great Date Debate!

    Posted 11 days ago

    Hello All,

     

    I'm reaching out for your perspective as a neutral, unbiased party regarding the correct gift date to record to help settle a debate in our office.

     

    Facts:

    1. Our Planned Giving team received a $20M bequest intention form and a copy of the donor's will in July 2025, prior to the donor's passing.
    2. The Planned Giving office date-stamped the materials in July but did not forward them to Gift Operations until October 2025.
    3. The gift officer continued discussions and finalized additional details related to the estate in October.
    4. Our Gift Operations team recorded the gift using the July received date.
    5. The gift officer and leadership are requesting the gift be recorded with the October date, citing that relationship and estate details were finalized then.
    6. There is no gift agreement in place-only the bequest intention form and will, both received and stamped in July.  No other documentation or communication received by the donor/estate – only from the gift officer.   
    7. Gift officer is stating the gift wasn't authorized until October because we needed to fulfill other obligation we committed to.

     

    Based on this information, Gift Operations is using July as the appropriate gift date, as that is when we first received the signed documentation establishing the donor's intent, regardless of when internal processing occurred. 

     

    Which date would you consider correct in this scenario, and why?

     

    Thank you,

     

     

    Michele

     

     

     

    Michele Hicks, MPA | Sr. Director, Philanthropy Compliance | Philanthropy

    Normal Business Hours:  M-F, 7:30a-4:30p

     

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  • 2.  RE: Help Settle the Great Date Debate!

    Posted 11 days ago
    Well, first of all, there wasn't a "gift" back in July-only a revocable bequest expectancy. And, back then, you had more than sufficient information to record the expectancy based on CASE Standards.

    Note that this recording is not of a financial asset. As a revocable instrument, we enter these in our CRM as a placeholder. However, from a CASE perspective, once we have the notice of intent (and especially a copy of the will), that's sufficient for counting the intention.

    The actual gift, or realized bequest, date is whatever date you receive the assets.

    John

    John H. Taylor, Principal
    John H. Taylor Consulting, LLC
    2604 Sevier Street
    Durham, NC     27705

    919.816.5903 (cell/text)

    Serving the Advancement Community Since 1987






  • 3.  RE: Help Settle the Great Date Debate!

    Posted 11 days ago

    Hi John,

     

    As always, I appreciate your candor and quick response.

     

    Yes, I understand that this is a revocable bequest expectancy and not a financial asset.

     

    The question we are trying to resolve is the appropriate date to record the bequest intention. Because this crossed fiscal years, leadership's position is that the booking date should be October, after they addressed separate, unrelated donor obligations. The are citing this is the "Mailbox date".  Gift Operations' position is that we record the intention based solely on when the donor documentation is received.

     

    At this point, the only documentation we have is the date stamp showing the intention was received in July, along with email correspondence from the gift officer instructing that the gift be booked in October. This raises the question: when is gift officer communication sufficient to override the documented date of receipt for booking purposes?

     

    I believe I know the correct answer here, but I am looking for reinforcement from an unbiased CASE reporting perspective that I can share to help ensure consistency and transparency in our approach.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Michele

     

    Michele Hicks, MPA | Sr. Director, Philanthropy Compliance | Philanthropy

    Normal Business Hours:  M-F, 7:30a-4:30p

     

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  • 4.  RE: Help Settle the Great Date Debate!

    Posted 11 days ago
    In theory, the date of the bequest is the date it was solidified in the will!

    When do you record a pledge? When it's delivered to your office, right? Sure, there might be an adjustment here and there, but we never "hold" recording anything when we have all we need to "book it."

    CASE tells us we need "proper documentation in the form of a will, trust, legal document, letter of intent, or gift agreement." CASE refers to "documented legacy and estate commitments" in several places. You had all this in July. I seriously doubt the gift officer was planning on talking the donor out of it! They simply needed to iron out some other details. But you still had a bona fide bequest expectancy in July.

    FWIW, CASE doesn't get into the "date of gift" debate. And most of us will record all of our transactions with either a "processed" or "received" date.

    However, on page 37 of the Standards, CASE does offer the following - it talks about "At the time of the intention," not "At the time the gift officer decides they have crossed all their t's."

    "A donor includes the institution in their will at a value of ¤50 million. At the time of the bequest / legacy intention, the institution would count the amount in New Funds Committed- bequest commitments, assuming the donor is at least 65 at the time of the  bequest  /   legacy  intention."

    Only if the will contained conditions you had to meet before it was a valid will (but you already stated "they addressed separate, unrelated donor obligations" - nothing having to do with the will) would I think a later date was appropriate.

    John

    John H. Taylor, Principal
    John H. Taylor Consulting, LLC
    2604 Sevier Street
    Durham, NC     27705

    919.816.5903 (cell/text)

    Serving the Advancement Community Since 1987







  • 5.  RE: Help Settle the Great Date Debate!

    Posted 10 days ago

    I would process it as the date your team received the gift.  How would your team treat a donation by check or credit card that say "got lost" for a couple of months (actually had that happen after an event) and then your team found it?  Would you back date the check or credit card for processing or if it was a pledge card, back date that? 

    My thoughts on that scenario. 

    Michael 



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    Michael Manning
    University of New England
    Mmanning6@une.edu
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