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  • 1.  DAF & Successor Election

    Posted 06-01-2023 10:06 AM

    Hello.  We recently received a Successor Election document naming our Foundation as one of two charitable organizations to succeed the individual and receive the remaining assets of a donor advised fund upon his passing.  Is this a bookable planned gift and if so, on which record should it booked to? The individual or the donor advised fund soft crediting the individual?  I am accustomed to booking planned gift bequests and such directly to the individual donor. In this case, it looks like the assets would be coming directly from the donor advised fund. Could use input and advice from your experiences. Thank you!



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    Nancy Vinje Jones
    Ball State University Foundation
    nvinjejones@bsu.edu
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  • 2.  RE: DAF & Successor Election

    Posted 06-01-2023 10:09 AM
    The DAF will be the legal donor. However, there isn't anything you can "book" at this time, as no specific dollar amount is being guaranteed.

    John

    John H. Taylor
    Principal
    John H. Taylor Consulting, LLC
    2604 Sevier St.
    Durham, NC   27705
    919.816.5903 (cell/text)

    Serving the Advancement Community Since 1987






  • 3.  RE: DAF & Successor Election

    Posted 06-01-2023 10:22 AM

    Interesting. Would you elaborate?  I'm being asked to "book" an expected dollar amount for our campaign totals. Thanks!



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    Nancy Vinje Jones
    Ball State University Foundation
    nvinjejones@bsu.edu
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  • 4.  RE: DAF & Successor Election

    Posted 06-01-2023 10:25 AM
    Do you know how much is in the fund, how long the donor is expected to live, and how much they plan to recommend to other charities before there is a balance to give to you?

    John H. Taylor 
    919.816.5903 (Cell/Text)

    Big Ideas; Small Keyboard





  • 5.  RE: DAF & Successor Election

    Posted 06-01-2023 10:43 AM

    We know how much is in the fund, I think we can calculate within reason how long the donor is expected to live (he is not deceased and is 62 y/o)  and that they are dividing the asset in half between us and one other foundation. 



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    Nancy Vinje Jones
    Ball State University Foundation
    nvinjejones@bsu.edu
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  • 6.  RE: DAF & Successor Election

    Posted 06-01-2023 10:59 AM
    But do you know for a fact they will not make any distributions between now and when they pass? I do not see how you can reliably "book" any pledge without as written statement from the DAF (not the individual) you will receive a minimum amount.

    John

    John H. Taylor
    Principal
    John H. Taylor Consulting, LLC
    2604 Sevier St.
    Durham, NC   27705
    919.816.5903 (cell/text)

    Serving the Advancement Community Since 1987







  • 7.  RE: DAF & Successor Election

    Posted 06-01-2023 11:16 AM

    Ahh that is very interesting. In fact I do know this particular individual will be directing more gifts out of this fund, at least to us, in the mean time. Have you got a recommendation for handling this situation?  Our Planned Giving Officer is making it a priority to get more of our donors who direct gifts from DAFs to designate our foundation as a successor on those funds too. Mind blowing! haha  Thank you!



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    Nancy Vinje Jones
    Ball State University Foundation
    nvinjejones@bsu.edu
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  • 8.  RE: DAF & Successor Election

    Posted 06-01-2023 11:43 AM
    A DAF successor election is a category C gift from a campaign perspective - a revocable deferred gift. While it is technically distinct from a documented bequest intention, it is practically very similar. My first instinct is to treat them the same, per your campaign counting guidelines. Typically, a bequest intention would be valued based on a credible estimate of its current value. While it's true that future gifts might made out of a DAF prior to the donor's passing, the same is true of an estate. And the reverse is also true: more money may flow into either a DAF or an estate too. Category C is intended for capturing uncertainties of this type. Your institution may have some additional rules about valuation and discounting, at least as far as campaign counting is concerned. 

    From an accounting perspective, this is not a pledge, and no revenue can be recorded in the GL. 


    Thank you,
    Isaac Shalev
    Data Strategy Expert
    Sage70, Inc.
    (917) 859-0151
    isaac@sage70.com

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  • 9.  RE: DAF & Successor Election

    Posted 06-01-2023 12:54 PM

    Issac, thank you for responding. I believe this is the perspective of our planned giving officers. Definitely not a pledge and not hitting the GL.  



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    Nancy Vinje Jones
    Ball State University Foundation
    nvinjejones@bsu.edu
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  • 10.  RE: DAF & Successor Election

    Posted 06-01-2023 11:57 AM
    It's great your gift officer is working on these. However, besides adding moves or contact reports - or maybe a proposal - there's nothing you can book.

    These assets do not belong to the individual. They belong to the DAF. Therefore, no bonafide pledge can be entered except on the DAF account. And only then with a written statement from the DAF stipulating to a minimum dollar amount.

    Furthermore, as with a will, these assignments are revocable. The individual can execute a replacement version at any time.

    These are great to have and possibly earn the gift officer some recognition toward goals. But there's nothing here you can count or book - yet.

    John

    John H. Taylor
    Principal
    John H. Taylor Consulting, LLC
    2604 Sevier St.
    Durham, NC   27705
    919.816.5903 (cell/text)

    Serving the Advancement Community Since 1987







  • 11.  RE: DAF & Successor Election

    Posted 06-01-2023 12:56 PM

    Thank you John. We have used the proposal/opportunity avenue to give officer credit when a pledge could not be booked. I appreciate your responses and input today! 



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    Nancy Vinje Jones
    Ball State University Foundation
    nvinjejones@bsu.edu
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  • 12.  RE: DAF & Successor Election

    Posted 06-01-2023 02:14 PM
    Not that it really matters in this discussion, but I thought I would add that since 2021, CASE has recommended against counting any "bequest intentions" unless the donor was 65+.

    Although I still would not record these notifications at all toward any official fundraising goal, as the individual is only 62 (I think you said) in this instance, their age might be something further to consider.

    See page 36 of the 2021 CASE Standards for more details!

    John

    John H. Taylor
    Principal
    John H. Taylor Consulting, LLC
    2604 Sevier St.
    Durham, NC   27705
    919.816.5903 (cell/text)

    Serving the Advancement Community Since 1987







  • 13.  RE: DAF & Successor Election

    Posted 06-01-2023 10:34 AM

    Is the individual already deceased?

     






  • 14.  RE: DAF & Successor Election

    Posted 06-01-2023 10:37 AM
    The original email mentioned they were named a successor upon their passing - not that they had passed.

    To your point, if they are deceased all you need to book a pledge (not a bequest expectancy) is a written statement from the DAF of how much you will receive.

    John 

    John H. Taylor 
    919.816.5903 (Cell/Text)

    Big Ideas; Small Keyboard





  • 15.  RE: DAF & Successor Election

    Posted 06-01-2023 10:44 AM

    Sorry, my feed is a little slow today.  Just recapping above, We know how much is in the fund, I think we can calculate within reason how long the donor is expected to live (he is not deceased and is 62 y/o)  and that they are dividing the asset in half between us and one other foundation. 



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    Nancy Vinje Jones
    Ball State University Foundation
    nvinjejones@bsu.edu
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